Michelle Noorali, a senior software engineer for Microsoft, wrote a statement on a whiteboard during Helm‘s first days when she worked with Matt Butcher at Deis, which Microsoft acquired in 2017. “From zero to dopamine in five minutes” is still the phrase Butcher, a principal software development engineer for Microsoft, and his team use to measure how they are building a developer experience for the popular package manager used to get Kubernetes up and going.

In this edition of The New Stack Makers podcast, Butcher and Matt Farina, a senior staff engineer for Samsung, discuss how updates to Helm help improve the overall Kubernetes experience and balance usability in such a large community to provide the best developer experience. Alex Williams, founder and publisher of The New Stack, hosted this episode.

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